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Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

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Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby DaveTomo » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:19 pm

Anyone used one of these ? Just after a bit of feedback,
1) once in do they move at all?
2) straight forward to fit? and fit OK?

I've seen the install video, seems easy enough - just after some real world experience of them.Appreciate your help
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby dscscotty » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:32 pm

Fitted several, use them in my race scooters, fantastic bit of kit, I'm not a lover of the original off set, but these are the biz!
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby Fast n Furious » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:00 am

There is a lack of clarity with this product.
It's advertised as suitable for S1, S2, S3, GP and Serveta.
Innocenti changed the Cone design back in 62 when they moved over to the larger silentblock mounting design.
So, I suspect it will fit either the earlier or the later frames but not both.
Can anyone clarify?
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby modster79 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:10 am

Fitted in my series 1, Indian engine casing, seemed a bit tight when initially fitting with the casing being tight to the cones, but when in movement and spacing okay.
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby dscscotty » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:09 am

Yes the cone angles are different, my use has been stricthly S3-
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby HxPaul » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:28 am

Surely the cone angles are the same,they just changed the cones from short engine bar(small engine mounts).To long engine bar(big engine mounts)The Lambretta shops ie. Scooter Restorations etc.only sell
these cones,they dont mention the angles.
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby Mag » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:20 pm

recently fitted the casa bar to my TS. Wouldn't dream of going back to off set cones.
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby roli150lam » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:54 pm

I have two of these engine bars,the cones tho protrude from the tube by 4mm each side of the tube,thus making it impossible to fit the engine.I have tried tapping the cones flush with the tube,this closes the cone meaning the bar will not slide thru.
I spoke to the supplier 10 days ago,they were surprised but agreed to send replacement cones.I am still waiting for the cones to arrive.
So my experience is I have a problem and am waitng for a solution to be reached.
So I couldn't recommend them yet.
Are there different cone angles?Have the cones I have been machined wrong?Am I doing something wrong?
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby HxPaul » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:28 pm

HxPaul wrote:Surely the cone angles are the same,they just changed the cones from short engine bar(small engine mounts).To long engine bar(big engine mounts)The Lambretta shops ie. Scooter Restorations etc.only sell
these cones,they dont mention the angles.

Read this post.
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby Fast n Furious » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:40 am

roli150lam wrote:I have two of these engine bars,the cones tho protrude from the tube by 4mm each side of the tube,thus making it impossible to fit the engine.I have tried tapping the cones flush with the tube,this closes the cone meaning the bar will not slide thru.
I spoke to the supplier 10 days ago,they were surprised but agreed to send replacement cones.I am still waiting for the cones to arrive.
So my experience is I have a problem and am waitng for a solution to be reached.
So I couldn't recommend them yet.
Are there different cone angles?Have the cones I have been machined wrong?Am I doing something wrong?

What frame are you trying to fit this to Roli?
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby roli150lam » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:53 am

2xLI125Special frames.1965&1966.Offset cones i've used fit flush to the tube as do the original type cones.
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby roli150lam » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:07 am

HxPaul wrote:
HxPaul wrote:Surely the cone angles are the same,they just changed the cones from short engine bar(small engine mounts).To long engine bar(big engine mounts)The Lambretta shops ie. Scooter Restorations etc.only sell
these cones,they dont mention the angles.

Read this post.

I did.
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby DaveTomo » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:08 pm

Well I bit the bullet and bought the Casa bar - all good, a little bit tight compared to the 50 odd year old cones they were replacing (to be expected I suppose) but went in OK and lined up- appreciate the feedback chaps.For reference SX150 frame
Roli150lam hope you get yours sorted mate
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Re: Engine Bar - X89K Casa Flat one Side Bar

Postby roli150lam » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:38 pm

DaveTomo wrote:Well I bit the bullet and bought the Casa bar - all good, a little bit tight compared to the 50 odd year old cones they were replacing (to be expected I suppose) but went in OK and lined up- appreciate the feedback chaps.For reference SX150 frame
Roli150lam hope you get yours sorted mate

Thanks,me too.
I don't want to be hammering the bar thru,defeats the purpose of the cones imo.
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