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Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:33 pm
by TS1-200
Have a big block 200 Mugello, 25mm dellorto, MB/BGM big bore, when started runs & ticks over nicely, but left overnight it is very difficult to start in morning, recently rebuilt new seals etc. I must admit have not finally jetted in carb, but the carb was ok on a MB RT kit 195/200, 98 m/j 53 pilot 60 choke, any ideas ?

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:04 pm
by coaster
Does it start ok if you hold your hand over the carb mouth? if so it would indicate that the choke is not operating properly. I had a similar problem on a TS1 which turned out to be the cable nipple had come out of the recess in the chock lever :roll: :oops:

Also, always keep the throttle closed until it fires up, don't wring the throttle whilst kicking.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:22 pm
by lofty
air leak?

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:45 pm
by mr mugello
Slack choke cable

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:00 pm
by TS1-200
As far as I can see the choke is working correctly, would a bigger choke jet help

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:21 pm
by Scooterlam
Do you turn your fuel off over night?

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:30 pm
by TS1-200
Yes

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:44 pm
by mr mugello
TS1-200 wrote:As far as I can see the choke is working correctly, would a bigger choke jet help
Have you tried pulling choke on by pulling the cable by hand rather than flipping choke switch. Slight bit of slack in cable may not be lifting plunger up enough, when cold.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:54 pm
by MickYork
try a 70 choke jet.

might be worth checking the timing ? do you know the settings ?

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:43 am
by TS1-200
18 deg. BTDC, the choke is lifting ok, it clears the hole, will try a 70 choke jet

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:20 am
by Fast n Furious
Make sure you only have one type of ignition suppressor fitted. Either the plug cap or the plug itself but not both.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:56 am
by HxPaul
It should start ok with those jets.Have you any idea what the atomizer and needle are.I have a Casa 210 on a big block with a Dellorto 25mm PHBL carb and that starts from cold with 1 or 2 kicks.Mine has 98 main,47 pilot and 60 choke with an AQ268 atomizer and a D29 needle.Mine runs a Scootopia Ancillotti.It runs through an undrilled airbox with a standard filter.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:33 am
by Rich Oswald
Plug gap too wide?

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:37 pm
by mr mugello
Is the petrol old. Long shot I know, but the unleaded sold nowadays does not store well, causing difficult starting issues.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:56 pm
by Adam_Winstone
^... LIKE both of the above.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:10 pm
by bolzenanker
If this isn't a new kit, what was the ring gap like, too big may cause bad starting.

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:28 pm
by TS1-200
Looks to be sorted, there was a small amount of slack in the choke cable, as mentioned above, although the choke plunger went to the top of the hole, I have adjusted the slack out(well most of it) as I do like to make sure that the plunger seats properly when choke off, wouldn`t have thought it would have made a difference, but it has, thanks for all your suggestions

Re: Mugello bad cold starting issue

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:39 pm
by mr mugello
Glad you got it sorted.