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My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby dickie » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:06 pm

911hillclimber wrote:I'm thinking of counting up the material cost so far, but as with all the other daft projects I've done (all of my projects) it will scare me.


Don't do it! You will only make yourself sad. My £3000 budget is £3000 over budget and I'm not finished.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby johnnyXS » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:37 pm

911hillclimber wrote:
I think I'm about 1/3 into the scooter by now.

thats good progress hillclimber. I think your lock decision is very practical under the circs.
After 50 years use its unlikely everything is still absolutely original and to my mind any replacement part is non-original including oem NOS parts.
I did try source a set of keys from jem myself last year and got no response to my emails for several weeks . In the end I managed to source an original key from another source
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:25 pm

I think my wife is counting...

I'll do a quick summary and then stop doing such things.

Lambrettas are CHEAP in the extreme compared to motorsport parts, so she is not too concerned yet.

She hasn't asked me if I'm selling it when done (yet) :?

As to the key/switch conversation, I've ordered the Buzz ones now so fingers crossed.
Out of interest though here are some pics of the ign switch from the TV:-
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby HxPaul » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:39 pm

It looks like the front part of the switch is missing.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:43 pm

Yes, the stainless bit that prob has the key number on it! :roll:
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby coaster » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:00 pm

That does look original to me (but I'm not an expert) and the front cover part falling off is quite common and would have had the number on. Casa Lambretta do Italian remade ones but for around the same money Jerm Booth will return your original to 'as new' condition, he's worth persuing even if you use the other one in the meantime 8-)

Thankfully my Mrs isn't too interested in my scooters so she doesn't notice what I buy. We're usually not in when deliveriues arte made and my neighbour takes them in and hands them over discreetly ;)
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby CHRIS in MARGATE » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:03 pm

You crafty devil Colin. I buy so that delivery is on days when my wife is working.

Good thread this Graham; despite the comms problems from one member with Jem Booth my dealings were excellent. He is a very busy man but the first point of call for original speedo and lock repairs.
Be nice to see you on the road by spring.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:06 pm

I have no chance of bye passing my Boss.
Joint account reveals all...
I need permissions for lots of moves.

As to locks and things, I will see what Buzz turns up with!
Little irritating as I have just retired from the lock industry after 10 years, head of Design for millions of locks.

Got the carb back together after an unexpected glitch, but all is well now.

I doubt spring will happen but I do want to be on the road by June or before.

I'm glad you like the thread, I hope chatty threads like this are interesting. They are essential for me as I know so little.

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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:51 am

Surprisingly, £1400 spent so far.
To add yet:
Tyres/ tubes 190
AF Ex 120
running strips/ beadings/ badges 150
Paint 150 (materials only)
misc 50

Registration /MoT 200

Total approx. £2260

I recon it will have cost in total as much as it is worth! (so not too bad...) ;)

I have a permission for 2000, so have some gardening to do. :shock:
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby Shaun » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:53 am

coaster wrote:
911hillclimber wrote:Surrendered to non originality and ordered a lock set from Buzz.
I hope the quality matches his reputation!

Seen them as cheap as £19 (inc ign switch)!.


Big mistake in my view, NONE of the aftermarket switches are as good as the original Italian ones. The afore mentioned Jem Booth also rebuilds original ignition switches and as mentioned, is THE person to talk to about it. Apart from dubious quality of modern switches, most come with different coloured wires and switch contact arrangements. Not saying that any of this applies to the one you have bought but I would personally definitely stick with the original.

Colin


Ahem, Short of new old stock, you can't get a better repro ignition than this:

http://www.scootopia.co.uk/product/7342 ... ion-switch

And a lot cheaper than a Casa non standard looking switch.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:56 pm

Thanks, but lock suite awaited from Buzz now.

Can anyone tell me what this is or where it goes?

I think it was behind the choke finger lever very close to the head cooling cowl but could be wrong, was 15 years ago.

The hole is 16mm dia and it is steel and was metallic blue.
Can't spot it on any of the Scoot Rest pictures.

Found it on google of course, keeps the cables away from any hot areas.

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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:34 am

Lock set from Buzz came within 24 hours and look/function ok.

The finger turn on the toolbox is not as good as the original, but I'll live with it.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby dickie » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:11 pm

911hillclimber wrote:Thanks, but lock suite awaited from Buzz now.

Can anyone tell me what this is or where it goes?

I think it was behind the choke finger lever very close to the head cooling cowl but could be wrong, was 15 years ago.

The hole is 16mm dia and it is steel and was metallic blue.
Can't spot it on any of the Scoot Rest pictures.

Found it on google of course, keeps the cables away from any hot areas.

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Yes, you're correct it goes on the back of the choke lever.

If you look on Paul slacks (excellent) rebuild guide on the lcgb home page you can see where it goes. Only difference is he has the earlier wire one, but it's essentially the same.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby Noddabodder » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:49 am

I think its more for stopping the cables pushing the plug cap off rather than avoiding hot areas.
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:37 pm

Brazed the tank up this morning, it had a 50mm hairline crack along one of the tank strap band beads, bugger to get it fuel tight, but done now.

Horn/light switch in and the twist grip is nice and smooth without too much drag. Certainly is tight in the head casting with the loom and the rod.

More parts needed, but loom and cables next.....
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby Paul Slack » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:44 pm

Dickie is correct. The metal part you have is a cable guide.
It slots over the choke lever body on the inside and is held by a large crimped washer and nut.

Older ones were sprung wire. Yours is the plate type and can only fit one way around. When fitted, it holds all the cables away from the spark plug in that small recessed section that is turned over to stop the plate damaging the cables.

This blog might help you with any future problems:

http://lambrettarestorations.blogspot.c ... choke.html

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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:36 pm

Thank you, it is a tight fit in there and I'm impressed with myself for nearly remembering it from 15 years ago.

The lads who had this TV in Rome left the fuel turned on as there was no tap on the scooter, more parts needed!

I hope to distress the finish on the fuel tap to match the choke.

Right now I could do with some heads up on tyres.
TV will be used for weekday local runs and such things, no rain rides unless caught out and preferably white wall.

The Conti 365 sounds good.
In '67 all my offs were in damp or wet conditions, the last nearly killed me under a bus...

So prob have a fear in the back of my mind of wet riding. :roll:

Got an extension on my original Permission of sub £2000 to around £2400. :D
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:54 pm

Started on the fitting of the cables and loom today after a few days off.

Everything fell into place well and I think I have the two gear selector cables in the right place, but yet to connect everything at the engine end.
The loom is new. The existing loom on the light switch has very brittle PVC sleeving though the wires themselves are ok. I've replaced most of it with new.

Positioned the loom by installing the brake light switch and connecting that which positions the loom a treat. Saved the water proof (?) cover off the old loom which was good. Passed the loom to the head stock using Stickys guide and insulation tape to get the cables and the loom to the frame.
Then to the rear which is when it went downhill a bit... :roll:

Cleaned the Ducati regulator and mounted it on the frame. Then started to wire it all up.
Being a bit thick it took some time to dawn on me one row of 4 females are for the stator males, and the other row of 5 females are for the loom males...it is my age.
Then one of the female connectors snapped. :shock:

Refusing to buy a new regulator, a deep strip down and a bit of soldering and a new 'normal/round' connector soldered in place saw the lot all wired up. Must admit to being chuffed with that, far too easy to buy and buy again.

It might be knackered of course, but time will tell.

Thinking a bit ahead, who makes the best AF 42mm silencer?
I'm still confused about which tyre to fit.

Finally heavens knows what seat I have but it does not have any way to clip to the rear seat bracket, doubt it is original. (£££ :roll: )
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby 911hillclimber » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:44 pm

This fit-up is taking an age!

Still bug'd by electrical connection issues, one day all will be clear.

Indian quality probs resolved by soldering every bullet onto the ign switch loom, crimping that missed the wires and just gripped the insulation, poor workmanship.

Fitted the original tool box lock as the replacement one was 1mm too large in dia to go through the hole in the door, so that has cost me £15 for a new key. At least the handle matches all the other aluminium on the scooter. not impressed.
Tool box in with very little trouble, I used nyloc nuts instead of the plain nuts and bending the tab washers.
Cables all in, alum straps on, tank primed now I know it doesn't leak anymore, hope to have it in colour by the weekend (rattle-can job).

Some work to do on the lights trying to salvage the originals, and the speedo has suffered damage with a very broken dial face moulding but the top lens is intact, the lads in Rome been at it again. I hope I can simply fit a new 70 mph face and a new lens.

Decided to buy a new seat.
The one on the TV is not a series 3 seat but has a Lambretta front mounting but nothing to fix to the rear bracket. Pity as it is in nice condition.

Ordering the tyres, exhaust, seat, panel rubbers and runners end of the week. The spending must stop eventually?
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Re: My first restoration: TV175 Ser 3

Postby rossclark » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:58 pm

911hillclimber wrote: The spending must stop eventually?


Yeah, you'd like to think... :shock:
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