Which electronic ignition 12 volt kit?

[Egee]

I've decided to opt for electronic ignition and 12 volt lighting. Does anyone have any experience of a decent kit? I'm running a 225cc with GP taper crank. Many thanks in anticipation.

[lammydave]

there's lots of different kits from different people out there....

my most reliable set up so far has been a £90 kit from ebay, including indian stator, flywheel, cdi and regulator....
willenhall scooters have them at the moment on ebay
others will share with you how unreliable these are... but that is not my experience

I have also bought "better quality" stators which failed.....

[CHRIS in MARGATE]

I have had several from Willenhall and touch wood they have been absolutely perfect. Great price and quick service.

[Egee]

Thanks for the lead guys - much cheaper than I was expecting.

[kennystag]

Hi,
I got my kit from this ebayer. Perfect.
Cheers
Stag

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAMBRETTA-12- ... SwA4dWM7jl

[Paulnobodyimportant]

Just to confirm what the rest have said, I've never had a real problem with the SIL (Indian) electronic kits. And also bought some decent SIL stuff from Willenhall

[coaster]

No matter who you buy from, the stator will benefit from the liberal application of araldite to all wires to stop them vibrating and breaking over time.

[EddieStone]

Hi,
I got my kit from this ebayer. Perfect.
Cheers
Stag

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAMBRETTA-12- ... SwA4dWM7jl

How much did you pay for import on that?

[HxPaul]

Has anybody tried a 12v ignition system from MGE.

[Egee]

Will I need a specific kit for a battery set up i.e. DC??

[coaster]

If you intend going DC you can use any of the Indian stators with a small mod which is very simple if you have access to a soldering iron. Better still would be to buy a BGM stator which has already been modified for DC, this will give you slightly more power for charging the battery and operating the lights.

Colin

[burnside]

Hi,
I got my kit from this ebayer. Perfect.
Cheers
Stag

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAMBRETTA-12- ... SwA4dWM7jl

Did it include the flywheel? The pictures suggest it does but the description says it only includes the stator, regulator and CDi

[kennystag]

Hi Burnside yes. Flywheel, stator, regulator, CDI unit. A really good deal, well worth the money.
Cheers
Stag

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

Which electronic ignition 12 volt kit?

Answer: None!

Stick with points but get a 12 volt upgrade.

People change for 'reliability' yet this Forum is littered with accounts of electronic ignitions failing.

However, on the other hand, should you desire to augment an electronic by utilising the benefits of a good retarding set-up, consider one of the several versions that have it built in from the outset.....

Yes. I know. I can be "controversial" misspelt slightly with one "u".....

[kennystag]

You need a magnifying class to adjust points. lol. That is one of the reasons I went electronic. The horn sound like a horn , not like a half dead duck, with first class lights, starts first kick. Points are not for me.
Cheers
Stag

[JETEX]

I've never had a problem with an Indian electronic set up ( so far ), but I changed the CDI to a Ducati item.

[Egee]

It seems like I've opened an old wound here! Just to compound the debate, does it matter which flywheel I use? I've read about using lightened ones which give better revving. Are these also SIL products? And fit into existing standard flywheel cowlings? I

[gaz_powell]

For what it's worth - my experience; genuine SIL flywheel lightened and boss welded. Genuine SIL stator with best pick up and coil you can get. I use ducati cdi and rectifiers as much as possible (but do have an Indian rectifier on one bike.
As said check all earth's and soldered joint then araldite them.
It's worked for me for since af stopped selling the lightened ducati set up. I have a spare (flywheel and stator) set up done exactly the same. I've had two problems and both were broken soldered joints before I started using araldite

[Captain Pugwash]

Ducati electronic ignitions are most likely the best made and most reliable of all standard fit electronic's.

The Original AF electronic aftermarket kits were excellent but they were not without there problems.
The 12v DC version often burnt out the lighting coils and their production was very quickly discontinued.

The AC version was much more reliable, the only real issue was they sometimes ran an interference fit between the flywheel and the pickup, some flywheels ran that tight that once the flywheel was torqued up then the flywheel couldn't rotate because the back of the flywheel fouled against the stator retaining bolts.

The fix for this was to machine the mag housing and/or fit a very thin mag gasket, but some machined the back of the flywheel to gain clearance. The stator retaining bolt heads were also ground down to reduce their height.
The AF kits available today are no longer made my Ducati, and the later version has a spacer washer in the flywheel assembly to pull the flywheel out and away from the mag housing. The AF Indian version doesn't appear to be as good as the original.

""Don't get mistaken between the "AF light weight aluminium flywheel" and the "SIL larger steel flywheel", they are not the same.""

The AF Ducati AC stator is wired in exactly the same way as an SIL standard electronic and can be converted to 12 dc in exactly the same way as the SIL electronic, so it stands to reason if you fit the same quality pickup and lt coil to an Indian stator then you will have exactly the same reliability as the Ducati item all converted to 12v DC lighting.
But because the Indian flywheel "Normally" has no clearance issues with the stator bolts or pickup this can make the Indian item an easier better setup from the start. The Indian flywheel is available machined down "lightened" or standard weight.

Indian flywheels have been known to break!!! so some very well positioned strengthening "Welding" in my opinion is a wise decision, but it's not totally necessary on a standard engine.

If you do have the flywheel welded check that it still runs true. I say this because I've seen a few badly Welded up Indian flywheels that do not!!!

There's a wider range of electronic ignitions these days for lambretta's so there is more to choose from other than standard Ducati based ignitions....

I'm going to try the Casatronic in my next engine reworked to run a 12v DC Wassel type rectifier.

I like the solid construction of the flywheel over the riveted lambretta type. Plus it has a more simplified ignition circuit "No pickup" this should mean there's less to go wrong. The only problem I will have on assembly is it's a double spark every 360 degrees, this means my rev counter will not function properly with the casa
Variatronic and casatronic use the same stators but use differently manufactured flywheels.

Our last breakdown.
This is just a coincidence but one of our four had a breakdown on the way back from the South Downs rally, this was on an original AF Ducati electronic stator where the pickup failed.
The pickup has two inbuilt diodes, one of these diodes had failed causing a constantly worsening missfire just as we got onto the M40, he was Carol Nashed home from Cherwell valley services back to Kirkby....

[Egee]

This is all very comprehensive information. I just need to sit down and do the maths. Thanks once again .