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Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:46 pm
by shane BBoys
Before I re-install the barrel n head I intend on flattening them on some glass using some wet n dry which grade would be the best to use?
Cheers Shane

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:39 pm
by missing lynx
I would use medium grinding paste

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:28 pm
by Warkton Tornado No.1
shane BBoys wrote:Before I re-install the barrel n head I intend on flattening them on some glass using some wet n dry which grade would be the best to use?
Cheers Shane


missing lynx wrote:I would use medium grinding paste


I agree course grinding paste will do the job. Doubt you'll need to go to fine as the paste soon 'converts' from course to fine :D

Of course, other than spigotting head or barrel, the best sealing method will be achieved by eliminating the head gasket.....

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:40 pm
by Fast n Furious
Not forgetting that you should maintain around 1.1mm of squish band clearance. ;) :!:

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:17 am
by shane BBoys
I did have 1.45 on the 1st build using a 3mm base packer and a .5 head packer no gaskets so hopefully matting both surfaces won’t effect the squish too much! Mark 1 186 muggy 110/60 crank, reed valve.
Cheers Shane.

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:02 am
by coaster
shane BBoys wrote:I did have 1.45 on the 1st build using a 3mm base packer and a .5 head packer no gaskets so hopefully matting both surfaces won’t effect the squish too much! Mark 1 186 muggy 110/60 crank, reed valve.
Cheers Shane.


As suggested by WT, best to lose the headgasket/packer completely really, one less thing to fail. Better to adjust to gaskets/packing at the base to achieve a good squish, 1.45 is a bit on the high side I think

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:54 pm
by Warkton Tornado No.1
As squish has been mentioned it's worth a reminder of the importance to achieve the closest safe amount.

Sorry for all those that know, but squish not only ensures the best combustion but is essential in the heat transfer process from piston to head. The head will 'soak' as much heat as possible from the piston & combustion process if the piston almost clouts it. Ideally, the profile of piston (crown radius) should be matched in the head, but few do so. Even with a lathe & a form tool, it is difficult to not get 'chatter' whilst machining, though I am no expert @ making tools :oops:

My interpretation of squish is to imagine feeling a very near miss on the chin from a boxing glove, & you won't be far wrong. The piston is hammering the heat into the head where it can be got rid of via the circulating air.

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:42 pm
by shane BBoys
Thanks for the advice, I’ll try without the head packer which actually measures .45 if my memory serves me well! How will this effect compression?
Cheers Shane.

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:00 pm
by Warkton Tornado No.1
shane BBoys wrote:Thanks for the advice, I’ll try without the head packer which actually measures .45 if my memory serves me well! How will this effect compression?
Cheers Shane.


A tighter squish will inevitably affect compression, but if you know what it was previously, it can be calculated.

Inevitably on any engine build, it should be checked & adjusted to suit based upon the desired squish. It is just a case of being methodical, though the majority of 'kits' these days have too high a CR, making adjustment just a case of metal removal from the bowl area. If you have a die grinder, Dremel type tool or even just an electric drill with various flap wheels, it is not such a hard job to do. The edges of the bowl to the squish profile should be kept sharp with a small radius IMO.

Re: Barrel and head flattening

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:11 pm
by shane BBoys
It might be worth doing then I have no idea what the compression is but I do know it does take some kicking over!
Cheers Shane.