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carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:42 pm
by a-teamlambretta
Having trouble setting up my rapido 240 reed valve motor. It's not reving out as it should.new varitronic ignition fitted and set at 24 deg st a fast idle and when reved it retards as it should. Have tried bgm stator and Indian flywheel prior to this and standard Indian set up. I have a vhsh 30 carb, same carb with all previous ignition set ups. I now have another vhsh to try. Can someone give me some ball park carb setting. Here is the motor set up
Rapido 240 Lth reed conversion
Varitronic ignition
B-race expansion
I need to know what slide,needle, atomiser,main,choke and idle jets.
It starts idlesand revs out ok up until 3/4 onwards. So I can only presume it'd carb set up. Cheers Simon
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:47 pm
by MickYork
Could be a few things besides what you've said. I'd change plug and cdi unit 1st then also consider the reed petals....
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:56 pm
by a-teamlambretta
Tried new plugs and as said this is the 3 ignition to be tried including cdi's
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:01 pm
by a-teamlambretta
When watching the flywheel with strobe it looks good not wandering or flicking about
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:42 pm
by coaster
a-teamlambretta wrote:......I need to know what slide,needle, atomiser,main,choke and idle jets.
What have you got in there at the moment?
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:24 pm
by a-teamlambretta
I want to try the new carb, will swap all jets over etc but just wanted to make sure what I had in there was right. Will have a look and report back
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:51 pm
by a-teamlambretta
Here is carb set up
Slide 40
150 main
60 choke
55 Idle
Dq 265 atomiser
K3 or 13 can't see need a magnifying glass
300 float
What do you think?
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:36 pm
by dscscotty
When you say reed 240, what has been done to the cylinder?, has a boost or boost ports been added? Piston modifications? 150 main seems a little big?
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:03 pm
by a-teamlambretta
Yes Work has been done. Single boost port no holes in piston but cut arche in piston skirt. Reeds are new. Motor sounds fit until 3/4 throttle, this on the stand not out on road. Ain't got front brake hooked up yet
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:01 am
by foremanbob
isnt anything like this is it? this only happened as the throttle was opened up
This was a dodgy pickup on a BGM stator that I replaced with a Ducati pickup, and all was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8eaScGexBA
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:16 am
by a-teamlambretta
foremanbob wrote:isnt anything like this is it? this only happened as the throttle was opened up
This was a dodgy pickup on a BGM stator that I replaced with a Ducati pickup, and all was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8eaScGexBA
As stated, It's a varitronic ignition.
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:37 pm
by johnnyXS
24 degrees at fast idle is I believe max recommended advance .Your particular scooter spec may not be able to fully utilise that much total advance
I would be tempted to back the advance of 2 degrees and try that first to see if there was any improvement before messing with the jetting.
http://www.lambretta.co.uk/downloads/varitronic-fitting.html
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:41 pm
by a-teamlambretta
johnnyXS wrote:24 degrees at fast idle is I believe max recommended advance .Your particular scooter spec may not be able to fully utilise that much total advance
I would be tempted to back the advance of 2 degrees and try that first to see if there was any improvement before messing with the jetting.
http://www.lambretta.co.uk/downloads/varitronic-fitting.html
dont think its timing or ignition related as when i first started the motor i could not get any where near the sugested timings as the stator was fully clockwise. then i remembered i had changed the crank (time laps of a couple of years ) so re marked tdc which is around 40 deg clockwise from previouse setting ( keyway out on crank or flywheel??) anyway does not realy mater where the marks are. but ran the motor and still the same . the only thing that i have not changed is the carb hence wanting to try that before i pull the motor out. like i say the motor sound realy good until 3/4 and after throttle . will try and video it later and will nock the timing back to 21deg, thought it was 24 for some reason can see it making a shits worth of difference.
so what about carb settings ?? are they in the right ball park ?? . cheers for the input so far. simon
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:12 pm
by Fred
I'd come down on the main to 140 -145 see if it revs out
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:23 pm
by weeks
dscscotty wrote:When you say reed 240, what has been done to the cylinder?, has a boost or boost ports been added? Piston modifications? 150 main seems a little big?
Fred wrote:I'd come down on the main to 140 -145 see if it revs out
As your only revving out on the stand this has got to be the easiest try

Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:47 pm
by a-teamlambretta
weeks wrote:dscscotty wrote:When you say reed 240, what has been done to the cylinder?, has a boost or boost ports been added? Piston modifications? 150 main seems a little big?
Fred wrote:I'd come down on the main to 140 -145 see if it revs out
As your only revving out on the stand this has got to be the easiest try

will give it a try tonight
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:00 pm
by Wack
You will find that on a Varitronic , it hits a brick wall in neutral and will not rev out almost feels like you have blocked the exhaust. Wait till you get out on the road and I'm pretty sure it won't do it.
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:08 pm
by missing lynx
it could be the exhaust
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:32 pm
by a-teamlambretta
missing lynx wrote:it could be the exhaust
Had a change of exhaust, was dev-tour now B-race, no difference.
Re: carb/ ignition probs

Posted:
Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:35 pm
by a-teamlambretta
Wack wrote:You will find that on a Varitronic , it hits a brick wall in neutral and will not rev out almost feels like you have blocked the exhaust. Wait till you get out on the road and I'm pretty sure it won't do it.
I have used a varitronic before with an imola and dev-tour, can't remember if was like this??.