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MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:23 pm
by leebo1974
Hi all, I'm new to the forums,
question regards jetting etc, having just rebuilt my 1965 TV175 motor using a RT195 top end and numerous other expensive parts, I've also added a Dellorto PHBH 30mm carb & having difficulties jetting/tuning it in.

Current setting are:

Main jet 125
Pilot 55
Atomiser 264
Slide 40
Needle X7
Needle position second from the bottom,

The bike starts and ticks over not too bad but giving it a little run down street is awful very intermittent/boggy
Any suggestions appreciated.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:03 pm
by missing lynx
have you asked the supplier of the kit? I take it you've put a GP crank in it also what pipe are you using and what have you set the timing at?

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:15 pm
by leebo1974
Hi, yes I've asked Mark, he said to start with the settings I'm currently at, the crank is a "https://www.lambrettaspares.com/spares/bgm-parts/crankshaft,-58-x-110mm,-lambretta-full-circle,-bgm/mbgm0252.html"
Pipe is an aftermarket stainless job, timing set to 17 degrees BTDC

I know I'm probably going to have to take to a dyno, MB is currently snowed under with work, I was just wondering if anyone had a similar setup.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:48 am
by Norrie Bodge
leebo1974 wrote:Hi all, I'm new to the forums,
question regards jetting etc, having just rebuilt my 1965 TV175 motor using a RT195 top end and numerous other expensive parts, I've also added a Dellorto PHBH 30mm carb & having difficulties jetting/tuning it in.

Current setting are:

Main jet 125
Pilot 55
Atomiser 264
Slide 40
Needle X7
Needle position second from the bottom,

The bike starts and ticks over not too bad but giving it a little run down street is awful very intermittent/boggy
Any suggestions appreciated.


1 adjustment at a time m8!
What part of the throttle opening is it boggy? Straight away upto say 1/4 throttle?
IfSo I'd start with ya pilot jet & drop it to a 53

Your low to mid setup is a bit rich using a 55-pilot - av264 atomiser & the x7 needle
That also may need changing to AV266
But as I say 1 adjustment at a time ok & do plug chops once you got rid of the boggy/4stroking m8

Good luck & keep an eye on the plug colour

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:01 am
by Scooterdude
leebo1974 wrote:
I know I'm probably going to have to take to a dyno

Why would you do that? I did that once and all it did was tell me how much power the thing was making, once back home I had to set it up myself as it was running like a bag of shite and dangerously lean. Setting up on a dyno is one thing but we ride on the road so set it up on the road, takes longer but better in the long term.

Change to a AV266 atomiser, 55 pilot x7 needle and have a play around with a half step washer and see how it goes.

(Bet that's raised a few pulses!).

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:37 am
by leebo1974
Thanks for the info, Its boggy pretty much straight away, I've not been able to go beyond 1/4 throttle, I've just ordered some more jets, soon as they land I'll have a play.

1 adjustment at a time m8!
What part of the throttle opening is it boggy? Straight away upto say 1/4 throttle?
IfSo I'd start with ya pilot jet & drop it to a 53

Your low to mid setup is a bit rich using a 55-pilot - av264 atomiser & the x7 needle
That also may need changing to AV266
But as I say 1 adjustment at a time ok & do plug chops once you got rid of the boggy/4stroking m8

Good luck & keep an eye on the plug colour[/quote]

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:38 am
by leebo1974
Scooterdude wrote:
leebo1974 wrote:
I know I'm probably going to have to take to a dyno

Why would you do that? I did that once and all it did was tell me how much power the thing was making, once back home I had to set it up myself as it was running like a bag of shite and dangerously lean. Setting up on a dyno is one thing but we ride on the road so set it up on the road, takes longer but better in the long term.

Change to a AV266 atomiser, 55 pilot x7 needle and have a play around with a half step washer and see how it goes.

(Bet that's raised a few pulses!).



Reason for doing it is as you can probably tell, I don't really know what I'm doing with regards setting the carb up correctly.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:35 pm
by ULC Soulagent
My setup on S2 with 58/110 crank, same carb and bgm clubman
RT195 carb setup
Pilot 48
Choke 70
Main 118
Needle X7 top clip
Atomiser AV264
Slide 50
Float 3.5g

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:48 pm
by Meds
I had exactly the same issues
have a look at this
http://scooterotica.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36233
Paul

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:11 pm
by leebo1974
Meds wrote:I had exactly the same issues
have a look at this
http://scooterotica.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36233
Paul


Excellent, thanks

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:47 pm
by bluebob
please take note of the guys advising you to up the atomiser to av 266

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:27 pm
by holty
i a sure you have checked, but make sure your choke is off fully, if not it will run very rich, i always make sure i have a bit of free play on the cable when switched off.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:04 pm
by leebo1974
bluebob wrote:please take note of the guys advising you to up the atomiser to av 266


I've ordered a 266 to try.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:05 pm
by leebo1974
holty wrote:i a sure you have checked, but make sure your choke is off fully, if not it will run very rich, i always make sure i have a bit of free play on the cable when switched off.


Good point, I'll check that I have the same.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:20 pm
by Norrie Bodge
leebo1974 wrote:
bluebob wrote:please take note of the guys advising you to up the atomiser to av 266


I've ordered a 266 to try.


one change at a time m8? a Bournville coloured plug is the target

keep an eye on it

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:20 am
by Scooterdude
When ordering Delortto jets etc I've found Wasp performance beats everyone else hands down.

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:52 pm
by Toddy
Scooterdude wrote:When ordering Delortto jets etc I've found Wasp performance beats everyone else hands down.



+1

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:05 pm
by leebo1974
Toddy wrote:
Scooterdude wrote:When ordering Delortto jets etc I've found Wasp performance beats everyone else hands down.



+1


Too late, got them off eBay & paid a premium :cry:

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:33 am
by Mike-Allen
My RT 195 setup

PHBH 30
Pilot 52
Choke 70
Main 118
Needle X7 second clip down from top
Atomiser AV264
Breath sweet filter
58 x 110 Crank
BGM V3 clubman exhaust

Re: MB RT195 Carb tuning

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:03 pm
by leebo1974
Got the new jets, and set it to same as you guys recommended, gave the scoot a run down the street but same thing, it borks out at the same place every time, :cry: