Allow Scooter Riders to ride 300cc on provisional licence

[kennystag]

https://www.change.org/p/uk-government- ... al-licence

[bsso78]

I don't agree. Why not just pass your test if you want to legally ride anything over 125?

[Rich Oswald]

I don't agree. Why not just pass your test if you want to legally ride anything over 125?

+1

This thread really ought to be in general chat.

Rich'

[xenia1]

I don't agree. Why not just pass your test if you want to legally ride anything over 125?

+2
Pass the full bike test. Only reason i can think of for not wanting to do the full test is not being capable of passing it, who would want to continually have to renew CBT and have the stigma of riding with L plates anyway?? Even if it were to become law you still wouldnt be able to ride in europe..

[kennystag]

Hi All
The license dose not affect me as I have a full licence, but it doesn't mean I don't agree with the post, as we all have an opinion. Hi Rich I don't know how to move it over to chit chat could you do it for me or maybe someone else could this would be appreciated.
Cheers
Stag

[Phil D]

+3
As a professional HGV driver for over 30 years couldn't agree more the pre test training is invaluable and provides skills for life and the skills taught by a competent trainer may just save your life!

[Rich Oswald]

Hi All
The license dose not affect me as I have a full licence, but it doesn't mean I don't agree with the post, as we all have an opinion. Hi Rich I don't know how to move it over to chit chat could you do it for me or maybe someone else could this would be appreciated.
Cheers
Stag

It's OK Stag,i'm sure a moderator will be along shortly,

Rich'

[kennystag]

Wen I first got my prov licence I could drive a motorbike, scooter up to 250 cc. As for a HGV or PSV I have both licences, there is a big difference driving one other that a motorbike, I do believe that there should be training for all , but there was not in my day with bikes.
Stag

[Scooterlam]

Ironically L platers are now more trained than someone who passed thier test back in the day.
CBT every 2 years means they are constantly assesed.

[Scooterlam]

Ironically L platers are now more trained than someone who passed thier test back in the day.
CBT every 2 years means they are constantly assesed.

[xenia1]

Ironically L platers are now more trained than someone who passed thier test back in the day.
CBT every 2 years means they are constantly assesed.

But not on anything more than a relatively low power 125..and wont be allowed on motorways either..

[roli150lam]

I too am a HGV+PSV driver,the first motorised vehicle I drove was a moped.Soon followed by an LI150 S2.In those days (mid 60s) it was possible to drive a bike up to 250cc on L plates.Take into consideration tho that the vast majority of people started by riding a pushbike on the road followed by a moped/scooter/motorbike.There was there an awareness of two wheeled vehicles ingrained in the psyche of road users back then.Add to this the fact there were less vehicles on the road,the roads were a less dangerous place to be back then.to have a full driving licence was something to be proud of.Nowadays the average 4 wheel vehicle driver has no awareness or care towards those of us that drive two wheeled vehicles.As far as I recall a provisional licence lasted 6 months and you were only allowed 3 before you had to take a test.

[burnside]

Ironically L platers are now more trained than someone who passed thier test back in the day.
CBT every 2 years means they are constantly assesed.

All a CBT does is test the basics on a low powered scooter or motorbike, and is almost impossible to fail. So if you can ride a 300cc motorbike with just a CBT you could get someone do a CBT on a 50cc twist & go, just do enough to not fail (i.e. not kill themselves) and then be able to then ride a 300cc bike....bonkers!

Yes they maybe more trained than someone who passed back in the day, but nowhere near the level of those that have passed in the last few years. Bikes have got more powerful in the last 20/30 years and roads far more congested. The maneuvers I see some people do on bikes and scooters carrying L plates beggar belief....only last week I had an idiot undertake me whilst I was making a left turn, it was very lucky for him that I always check and saw him in time. Sure, some idiots are still capable of passing a full test, but the level of training and tests should be enough to make them engage their brain occasionally.

[MickYork]

Ironically L platers are now more trained than someone who passed thier test back in the day.
CBT every 2 years means they are constantly assesed.

But not on anything more than a relatively low power 125..and wont be allowed on motorways either..

11kw is the 125 limit on a provisional....11kw is equal to 14.7hp......well more than a standard 200 Vespa or Lambretta. Basically these relatively "low powered" 125's are more powerful than most of our "traditional" 2T scooters (even kitted) which we need to have passed our test to ride

[xenia1]

Ironically L platers are now more trained than someone who passed thier test back in the day.
CBT every 2 years means they are constantly assesed.

But not on anything more than a relatively low power 125..and wont be allowed on motorways either..

11kw is the 125 limit on a provisional....11kw is equal to 14.7hp......well more than a standard 200 Vespa or Lambretta. Basically these relatively "low powered" 125's are more powerful than most of our "traditional" 2T scooters (even kitted) which we need to have passed our test to ride

I didnt look it up but if 11kw is the limit on provisional it needs to be lowered..

[Scooterlam]

Just to put some of the above coments into perspective
How many of those who have posted above have done a CBT?

[kennystag]

I didnt look it up but if 11kw is the limit on provisional it needs to be lowered..


Why should it be lowered, I certainly do not think it should. Just because it is 11kw, it does not mean you can break the national speed limit.
Stag

[xenia1]

I didnt look it up but if 11kw is the limit on provisional it needs to be lowered..


Why should it be lowered, I certainly do not think it should. Just because it is 11kw, it does not mean you can break the national speed limit.
Stag

An inexperienced rider can break lots of other things though..

[xenia1]

Just to put some of the above coments into perspective
How many of those who have posted above have done a CBT?

You have to do CBT before doing the full bike test Derek..

[Scooterlam]

Only since the 90s i believe.
I was trying to gauge wether peoples dismissive views of the CBT was actually based on personal experience or
Assumption.