LI panel and horncasting blue

[Storkfoot]

Hi, just looked on the main site and I can't readily see the answer to this.

I am after the Lechler code for the blue seen on the panels and horncast of Series 3 LIs. You know they invariably came with everything else white and either red or blue panels and horncasting.

Thanks in advance.

[ToBoldlyGo]

Or that sort of bluey green as well.

[Storkfoot]

Just spotted Sticky's says it is New Blue 8038 but, confusingly, this site says that code is metallic which it isn't.

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

I’ve just checked VT’s Restoration Guide for the New White (8059) 150 LI 3 with coloured side panels:

New Blue (8059)
Ruby Red (8047)
Nile Green (8015)

Confusingly (to me, @ least..) there is also Whitethorn (8082) 150 LISX with coloured side panels:

Ischia Blue (colour not available)

[Andie]

This is the Lechler catalogue:


http://www.smartexpress.co.uk/downloads/aci-book-lechler.pdf

it looks like some of the codes are now 'LAM##' but it has the old codes as 'Ex 1234' Etc.

Ischia Blue is listed as 8057
that bluey green is Celeste Iseo - 8035

Andie

[dickie]

Isn't celeste iseo the pale blue for li125 s3?

I believe li150 was Verde nilo or nile green.

[Storkfoot]

Just to clarify, it's this blue I'm on about:



...and, no, this isn't mine. Namecheck to Retrospective for pinching the photo.

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

Looking again @ VT’s Restoration Guide, that particular blue looks most like:

Whitethorn (8082) 150 LISX with coloured side panels:

Ischia Blue (colour not available)

Which Andie pointed out is 8057

I would attempt to scan & include the images with this response, but copyright laws, & all that....

[Storkfoot]

Ha, this is turning into an epic

How does New Blue 8038 compare?

(Maybe I should just choose another colour LOL)

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

According to VT’s Restoration Guide, New Blue (8038) is darker & appeared only on some of the J range.

To my eye, it looks similarish, but darker, to the Ischia Blue (8057)

IMO New Blue (8038) is how I recall the White/Blue GP 150's but there's a debate....

[Nigel. S]

I'd say that is faded/aged New Blue. Hope this helps: Pictures of mine before and after, both pics are New Blue 8038 & New White 8059

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=184

[Storkfoot]

Thanks very much for your help, WT. I'll try the 8057.

Yes, the GP150 blue. I remember. I have seen an RAL approximation for that but not a Lechler code. That's a nice blue actually, maybe I'll try that

Ps. Nigel, yes, I can see what you mean. I like that new colour on your panels too so I'd be happy with that. I am not doing a precise resto, just after a blue I like.

[rossclark]

IMO New Blue (8038) is how I recall the White/Blue GP 150's but there's a debate....

Indeed there is...

As above I think the New Blue is the right one on the Li

We'll come back to this picture which shows SX in blue / white along side GPs in the factory which I think looks like GP Blue



I painted a GP horn cast in new blue and it looks too pale and too blue for the GP colour, it's not right



Here against Biancospino



The GP blue is usually listed as being 'Ocean Blue' on the concessionaires touch up tins.

You can see traces of it inside this horncast -



which is somewhat darker and just a little greener. This is one in the usually quoted RAL 5020, curiously listed as 'Ocean Blue'...



and against Biancospino

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

Post by Storkfoot » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:42 pm

Thanks very much for your help, WT. I'll try the 8057.

Yes, the GP150 blue. I remember. I have seen an RAL approximation for that but not a Lechler code. That's a nice blue actually, maybe I'll try that

Ps. Nigel, yes, I can see what you mean. I like that new colour on your panels too so I'd be happy with that. I am not doing a precise resto, just after a blue I like.

Nobody is wrong to paint any Lambretta in the colour of their choice, again, IMHO.

If anybody was to try & emulate what actually occurred ‘back in the day’ of ‘British’ Lambretta ownership, a more accurate representation would be a machine that was different to how it came from the factory.

I know my views can be controversial, but, for instance, owners could not wait to remove the running in decals, any disc brake windows, add ball-end levers, change the seat, add a backrest, paint the panels in non-Lambretta colours (often to disguise the sought after SX200 panels they’d ‘acquired’) & generally put their mark of individuality on their pride & joy.

I think that habit was fairly widespread in the UK & it makes me smile when so-called purists replicate a factory machine with the exception of the ignition!

However, it is a very broad church, so tolerance has to cut both ways.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be running 1960’s tyres...

[ToBoldlyGo]

To be honest I don't think you will find a perfect match for any original Lambretta colour. Todays paints just aren't right.

[Nigel. S]

Post by Storkfoot » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:42 pm

Thanks very much for your help, WT. I'll try the 8057.

Yes, the GP150 blue. I remember. I have seen an RAL approximation for that but not a Lechler code. That's a nice blue actually, maybe I'll try that

Ps. Nigel, yes, I can see what you mean. I like that new colour on your panels too so I'd be happy with that. I am not doing a precise resto, just after a blue I like.

Nobody is wrong to paint any Lambretta in the colour of their choice, again, IMHO.

If anybody was to try & emulate what actually occurred ‘back in the day’ of ‘British’ Lambretta ownership, a more accurate representation would be a machine that was different to how it came from the factory.

I know my views can be controversial, but, for instance, owners could not wait to remove the running in decals, any disc brake windows, add ball-end levers, change the seat, add a backrest, paint the panels in non-Lambretta colours (often to disguise the sought after SX200 panels they’d ‘acquired’) & generally put their mark of individuality on their pride & joy.

I think that habit was fairly widespread in the UK & it makes me smile when so-called purists replicate a factory machine with the exception of the ignition!

However, it is a very broad church, so tolerance has to cut both ways.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be running 1960’s tyres...

I'm far from a purist. And it's on points.

[rossclark]

I don't want to give the impression of being a purist... I don't care how anyone paints their scooter.

Was just trying to share some info

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

Post by rossclark » Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:25 pm

I don't want to give the impression of being a purist... I don't care how anyone paints their scooter.

Was just trying to share some info

Sorry if my comment could be misconstrued...

I wasn't making a point @ anybody in this thread, apart from, perhaps, myself!

I can't equate myself with the concept of updating certain aspects of 'customising' where certain aspects are 'as original back in the day (of manufacture)' whilst others elements are completely bang up to date, ahem, 'bling'

That's why I say it's a 'broad church'

Anyway, that photo (in the factory) is of the Kettering Dealers Windmill Motors. I used to go by that shop to school & yearn to own a Lambretta. You could say they corrupted me...

[rossclark]

No offence taken

Honestly, probably on the same page.

In my mind, there are many things out there that are punted as 'total nut and bolt restorations' - stainless all over the place, this kit, these shocks, polished alloy, 12V etc that are basically bitsas, triggers brooms. The words 'restoration' or 'renovation' should probably only be applied to concourse, standard efforts, within the limits of what NOS or salvageable original parts are available, after that you're into 'replica' territory.

Then there's the ’preservations' and 'sympathetic conservations' or simply 'used'.

Anything else is 'modded' - and I don't mean the bathroom show room jobs. - that's 'customised'.

There's nothing truer than 'they're only original once' and finding one that's untouched, completely original, now, 50-60 years down the line and keeping it like that will be a very hard ask.

None of which criticises anyone else's right to do what they like to their scooter, whether it's to anyone else's taste or not.

[Fast n Furious]

I can count on one hand the number of parts on my scoot that I haven't "molested" or "changed" in some way.
Everything else, just needed improving.
The lambretta has to be one of the best machines in the world to do that with!