Seen this

[Norrie Bodge]

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/auction ... 7Gy4hODby0

[Storkfoot]

I recall this being found about 3 or 4 years ago. It looked in decent condition, from pictures on the Internet, before it was restored.

Edit: just read the story. The loop rotting out would be a good indication that it did need restoring

[hullygully]

love it

[bookertmgs1]

It was so nippy it blew its tyres ? Who writes this stuff - whats its run on ? Liquid Hydrogen ?

[Storkfoot]

It was so nippy it blew its tyres ? Who writes this stuff - whats its run on ? Liquid Hydrogen ?

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. It’s our government’s policy on almost everything remember.

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

Mind you, news to me that there was a 'London to Milan record attempt on their famous 250cc Bultaco Barreled “Super S Type” SX200'

By the admission of the very humble creators of that engine, it would be doubtful if such an attempt made it as far as the outskirts of Watford

I noticed the nyloc nut LH side of the engine mount bar & the 'Krober' (Motoplat) tachometer* (which presumably functions with the electronic) but I am surprised about the front brake. When that machine was first built, OEM disc brakes & TV175 I/II drums would have been plentiful, or even a complete 175/200 fork set.....

* Quite a rev range there! An ex-race item, no doubt. The Krober was available back then & many were fitted to sporting Lambrettas. The Motoplat uses the same components. For the sake of less than 20 quid, the dial face could have been changed to the more contemporary (@ the time) Krober silver face. I bought one for my Krober & IMHO they look so much better

[Storkfoot]

I have one of those Motoplat Krobers, the same model number, and I have been told by two separate knowledgeable people over the years that it cannot be converted to work with a two stroke Lambretta.

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

I have one of those Motoplat Krobers, the same model number, and I have been told by two separate knowledgeable people over the years that it cannot be converted to work with a two stroke Lambretta.

I cannot claim to be 'knowledgeable' but I do strive to gain accurate knowledge. Krober had specific tachometers to suit requirements due to engine type, configuration, ignition system & even the almost 'universal' type the LZ13. I cannot ever recall seeing any designation on a Motoplat tacho, but I have an old one knocking about. Until recently, I think there was a clear distinction between the two products, but nowadays they appear to have morphed into one:

https://www.hpi.be/pitsch.php

The old Motoplat tachometer that, until today, I believed would only work with the signal from the dedicated small connection from a Motoplat CDI will now be subject to a little more research I wonder who not to ask?

It works fine on any machine that a Motoplat stator, rotor & CDI will fit, regardless of two stroke or four. It has been proved to function with a Serveta Motoplat electronic with the CDI first mentioned. What's more, despite all indications to the contrary, the rotors will work CW as well as ACW. Probably the stators would too. It all seems logical to me because how would the stator or rotor 'know' their direction of rotation? I realise there may be more to it if the internal build has any form of electronic/magnetic bias, but Motoplats were conceived long ago.

[Storkfoot]

The Pitsch Krober tachometers that I have seen working on Lambrettas, including my own, have been the C31 variety.

Not having a fully operational Pitsch Krober is a deal breaker for me and, if that is the case, count me out of the auction

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

The Pitsch Krober tachometers that I have seen working on Lambrettas, including my own, have been the C31 variety.

Not having a fully operational Pitsch Krober is a deal breaker for me and, if that is the case, count me out of the auction

The C31 has only appeared relatively recently. although it appears to me Lambretta specific, that doesn't make sense, as the latter day ignition systems many use was cribbed from Piaggio, but without the reliability.....

http://www.motocicliveloci.it/inglese/c ... nti_uk.htm

More than the C31 will fit.

[coaster]

Someone needs to have a word with Anthony Tambs

[hullygully]

didnt AF's sell them, I'm sure thats the one on my TS1?

[Storkfoot]

didnt AF's sell them, I'm sure thats the one on my TS1?

Possibly. I recall that SCK sold them but that was over ten years ago. The one remaining partner in the business, Mr Pitsch, died a number of years ago. The business, Pitsch Krober, no longer exists.

Since then, sadly, the lad who built my C31, Pete Champness down in Essex, has also passed away so there is, as far as I can find out, little knowledge out there in the UK. Pete had a lot of spare parts but what happened to them after his death, I don’t know.

[Storkfoot]

Someone needs to have a word with Anthony Tambs

I sent my Motoplat one to him. He couldn’t help.

[Warkton Tornado No.1]

The link I posted has details of current availability of tachometers of that type:

https://www.hpi.be/pitsch.php

They were very helpful when I asked about the replacement dial faces & if you look @ their product base, it is extensive, including a race ignition for Lambrettas that is programmable & capable of controlling power jets etc. Who knew about that? Not me

They appear to have the knowledge base, but finding the correct 'knowledgeable' person ( ) might be a different matter. However, if you think about it, the fact that they are Lambretta specific does make me think that they may try to help' rather than "offer a hairbrush to go with the hairdryer"

When I made enquires about the dial face, it was via email. They answered in English (putting us lot to shame ) & the deal was done.

An electronic tachometer requires a signal & power to function, not necessarily combined, though the Motoplats did work on that premise, in the same manner as Krobers. 'Our' quandary is whereabouts in the electrical system do we tap into & my guess will be in the ignition cable prior to the CDI high tension side.

[hullygully]

I'm sure that mine's into the lighting circuit

[Storkfoot]

My C31 has an earth and connects to the ignition circuit in the headset.

I’ll send them an email, WT. I was on the verge of putting the Motoplat on eBay but it’s worth a last crack.

[Toddy]

Possibly. I recall that SCK sold them but that was over ten years ago. The one remaining partner in the business, Mr Pitsch, died a number of years ago. The business, Pitsch Krober, no longer exists.

Since then, sadly, the lad who built my C31, Pete Champness down in Essex, has also passed away so there is, as far as I can find out, little knowledge out there in the UK. Pete had a lot of spare parts but what happened to them after his death, I don’t know.

Didn’t know about Pete passing away he was a lovely bloke spoke to him a few times when he was sorting one for me

[Andyf]

As fascinating and intriguing as ever - you guys certainly know your stuff. I had to satisfy myself ( ) by browsing the other Lambrettas on there and seeing a "Genuine Clone".

[duncan1958]

Looking through the photos of the advert I noticed what looks like a standard h/t coil and the lack of spark plug cap.
Don't modern electronic ignition systems require a CDI unit and a spark plug cap?