casa 210 kit

[rexton270s]

wonder why the casa 210 kit has been discontinued? anyone still running one and whats the verdict ?

[HxPaul]

I've got a Casa 210 kit on a 200 block that I've just put in my series 3.Its a kit that I've had for a while.I have 2 185 Casa kits.1 in my series 2 and 1 in my series 3,this is the one I've swopped for the 210 kit.I have yet to run the 210,Ive only just put it in and strobed it.I'll get back to you when I've run it a while and given it a proper shake down.I'm running it with a scootopia sh/2 carb with a 132 main jet and a 50 pilot jet through the airbox,with a KBA clubman.

[Mr G in NYC]

CASA 210. Got one in a SX200 . Very nice bit of Kit . Also have two Casa 185's Fantastic for
in town run about daily miles thumper . Both recommended G.

[corrado]

Probably due to the large amount of big block kits available on the market and the clamor for high dyno figure readings, ie bragging rights in the pub, after all nobody wants to admit that their new kit only produces 14 bhp and costs as much as a TS1. However that doesn't tell the full story of how good the kit is based on the design principles, ie it was designed to do what a standard 200 engine does but slightly better [about 30%] in all departments while utilising standard, crank, carb and exhaust but with added bonus of Nicasil. If you listed the dyno figures from every kit at 5,000 rpm in 4th gear then the Casa 210 would be close to the top. It's a definite "horses for courses" kit. Shame that I could never get any supply of these kits.

[speedy]

Probably due to the large amount of big block kits available on the market and the clamor for high dyno figure readings, ie bragging rights in the pub, after all nobody wants to admit that their new kit only produces 14 bhp and costs as much as a TS1. However that doesn't tell the full story of how good the kit is based on the design principles, ie it was designed to do what a standard 200 engine does but slightly better [about 30%] in all departments while utilising standard, crank, carb and exhaust but with added bonus of Nicasil. If you listed the dyno figures from every kit at 5,000 rpm in 4th gear then the Casa 210 would be close to the top. It's a definite "horses for courses" kit. Shame that I could never get any supply of these kits.

Totally agree with this statement in every way. I have never run one but it was i who persuaded a friend to buy one when he wanted standard looks and to keep his jet 200 airbox system. It was never gonna set the world on fire.......but it was never meant to.. It has 150 inlet stud spacings for one. My friend did the euro on it last year with mates on ts1's etc and as they were cruising he was able to run with them at 60 mph plus all day with no cooling issues. However his bike did it on half the fuel and oil that they did. After doing this he had it dynod and it produced 10 or 11 bhp, so he decided he wasn't happy and changed to another kit So if you want my opinion........NO DYNO...........NO PROBLEM.!!!

[Adam_Winstone]

"Probably due to the large amount of big block kits available on the market and the clamor for high dyno figure readings, ie bragging rights in the pub, after all nobody wants to admit that their new kit only produces 14 bhp and costs as much as a TS1. However that doesn't tell the full story of how good the kit is based on the design principles"

... totally agree with this and it reflects IMO the reality of so many people overlooking a number of really great kits out there. Sadly, it has also resulted in a number of the lower BHP (but great power spread and ride) kits being reworked to increase BHP figures at the expense of the previous delivery.

Thankfully, it doesn't always follow this trend and you may remember that the Rapido Race kit was later followed by the Rapido Classic option, which tamed port durations (still well above standard) and brought the power delivery down to more of a 'fast road' or touring spec'. A pal of mine, who has only experienced standard Lambrettas previously, built a Rapido Classic 225 with PHBH and AF clubman and can't get over how fast it is... but nobody talks about it in the pub because it doesn't put out high BHP figures.

BHP figures.... just one element of building a 'fit for purpose' motor.

Adam

[HxPaul]

I've got a Casa 210 kit on a 200 block that I've just put in my series 3.Its a kit that I've had for a while.I have 2 185 Casa kits.1 in my series 2 and 1 in my series 3,this is the one I've swopped for the 210 kit.I have yet to run the 210,Ive only just put it in and strobed it.I'll get back to you when I've run it a while and given it a proper shake down.I'm running it with a scootopia sh/2 carb with a 132 main jet and a 50 pilot jet through the airbox,with a KBA clubman.

I've had chance to ride my scooter with the 210 kit and it runs really well.I've changed the jets in the scootopia carb from 132 main jet and a 50 pilot jet to a 130 main and 48 pilot.I've also got a Vijai super gearbox with 47x18 sprockets and it runs so well with this gearbox that I've changed the one in my series 2 from an Li150 gearbox to the same as I'm running in my series 3 with the Casa 210.I'm also running a scootopia ancilotti clubman with the 210.

[ToBoldlyGo]

I have never run one but it was i who persuaded a friend to buy one when he wanted standard looks and to keep his jet 200 airbox system. It was never gonna set the world on fire.......but it was never meant to.. It has 150 inlet stud spacings for one. My friend did the euro on it last year with mates on ts1's etc and as they were cruising he was able to run with them at 60 mph plus all day with no cooling issues. However his bike did it on half the fuel and oil that they did. After doing this he had it dynod and it produced 10 or 11 bhp, so he decided he wasn't happy and changed to another kit So if you want my opinion........NO DYNO...........NO PROBLEM.!!!

I'd say that was a result. Everybody is different, but rideability and practicality are right up there for me. Curious that it's got the 150 stud spacing though. That has to restrict it.

[Phil D]

I can't get my head round that either if it was designed to do what a standard 200 does but better?

Glad your big block motors sorted now Paul
I remember it was running lean before ?

[HxPaul]

Running it through the un-drilled GP airbox that I got off you,it seems to run a lot better than it did through the drilled airbox.

[HxPaul]

I have never run one but it was i who persuaded a friend to buy one when he wanted standard looks and to keep his jet 200 airbox system. It was never gonna set the world on fire.......but it was never meant to.. It has 150 inlet stud spacings for one. My friend did the euro on it last year with mates on ts1's etc and as they were cruising he was able to run with them at 60 mph plus all day with no cooling issues. However his bike did it on half the fuel and oil that they did. After doing this he had it dynod and it produced 10 or 11 bhp, so he decided he wasn't happy and changed to another kit So if you want my opinion........NO DYNO...........NO PROBLEM.!!!

I'd say that was a result. Everybody is different, but rideability and practicality are right up there for me. Curious that it's got the 150 stud spacing though. That has to restrict it.

The stud spacing has nothing to do with the way it runs,its the inlet bore and the bore of the manifold.Some scooter shops sell manifolds that fit big bore and small bore cylinders.http://www.scooter-center.com/en/produc ... 34mm?meta=

[ToBoldlyGo]

Yes, I get that Paul. As you say, you can get manifolds small and large, or do both. But isn't the physical position of the studs themselves an issue if you want to tune it in any way?

[HxPaul]

I think,but I may be wrong,that the long stud location is the same on both the the big and small block motors.The short stud position may be a problem if the inlet port is opened up to any degree.

[corrado]

Big update on the kit is that Casa show a 225 X2 kit in their new catalogue that for all intent and purposes looks to be a 225 version of the 210.

This isn't the SS225 kit reed valve kit, it's a completely new kit.

Casa look like they're taking Lambrettas very seriously with the new catalogue.

[ToBoldlyGo]

Sounds as if that puts it in direct competion with the RT kit. Where can we see this new catalogue?

[robbbee]

Has anyone any experience of the Casa 225 kit? Considering one, but the price (£620) is quite eye watering!

[corrado]

A whole different kit to this one, deserving of it's own thread.

[Phil D]

Has anyone any experience of the Casa 225 kit? Considering one, but the price (£620) is quite eye watering!

Surely not ,someone else dares to question the price of parts!

[ToBoldlyGo]

Cast iron.... It's the future.

[Phil D]

Cast iron.... It's the future.

Works for me