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Any MTECH feedback?

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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby Storkfoot » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:56 pm

Woe woe woe. If I get to the end of 2016 and I am convinced by the merits of SIP tubeless and the Mtech, you can look back with satisfaction. However, having seen the sheer volume of wires you have under your panels, you'll have to be very persuasive to get me to deviate from my simple AC system :-)
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby Mike Davis » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:10 pm

Donnie wrote:Ive just fitted a GT186 and taken off the mtech on advice of Rich Taylor and set on 17 degrees static.


Richard has advised this with several of my customers, yet back to back dyno graphs show a distinct bottom end and mid range advantage on a range of different kits, as for reliability out of all those fitted to customers scoots (15 or so) no failiures yet :D
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby ian i.o.w » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:41 pm

Adam_Winstone wrote:^... doesn't sound like a great combo of parts. Perhaps fine individually but not great together if you can't get a regular function.

Cheers Adam for reply static timed now 17 degrees and done loads miles now I said it will go wrong now Gary managed to get his TS1 before he past away to get bgm stator bgm flywheel supertourer exhaust and used kytronic only problem got a bit wet coming back from Switzerland got it in a better position and it worked great and still going
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby Adam_Winstone » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:02 pm

Gary... what a great guy... legend.
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby dscscotty » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:59 pm

Got a readspeed one bgm stator bgm flywheel me and Gary tried setting it up with strobe and it kept bouncing and not give a stable reading so we were not happy so back in the box for another day


I would be inclined to suspect the BGM Flywheel is at fault for the erratic readings?
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby Donnie » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:02 am

Mike Davis wrote:
Donnie wrote:Ive just fitted a GT186 and taken off the mtech on advice of Rich Taylor and set on 17 degrees static.


Richard has advised this with several of my customers, yet back to back dyno graphs show a distinct bottom end and mid range advantage on a range of different kits, as for reliability out of all those fitted to customers scoots (15 or so) no failiures yet :D


I didn't have a failure either, I had it running absolutely fine on the mugello, but built a whole engine with the gt186 and took his advice. one less thing to go wrong to be fair is what I believe. I still have it, but im cautious about using it on a cast iron kit
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby NorthernJordan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:49 am

Donnie wrote:
Mike Davis wrote:
Donnie wrote:Ive just fitted a GT186 and taken off the mtech on advice of Rich Taylor and set on 17 degrees static.


Richard has advised this with several of my customers, yet back to back dyno graphs show a distinct bottom end and mid range advantage on a range of different kits, as for reliability out of all those fitted to customers scoots (15 or so) no failiures yet :D


I didn't have a failure either, I had it running absolutely fine on the mugello, but built a whole engine with the gt186 and took his advice. one less thing to go wrong to be fair is what I believe. I still have it, but im cautious about using it on a cast iron kit


I've used my Mtech on a Cast Iron 225, Cast Iron 200 and a Rapido Race 225. Not sure why you would be cautious of it?
I think with a cast iron kit you'd really see the benefit that variable timing can bring to cooler running particularly on long distance runs. Whereas on an aluminium kit I think you'd see the benefit more at the lower rev range since they run far cooler.
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby Donnie » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:50 pm

Possibly but if i can set up the engine on static 17degrees and it's not running too hot ill be happy as it's one less component to go wrong. And that's what id be cautious of, ie if it failed and then im running at 23 degrees a cast engine will seize easier than an ali one which would be more forgiving id imagine
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby coaster » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:53 pm

Donnie wrote:Possibly but if i can set up the engine on static 17degrees and it's not running too hot ill be happy as it's one less component to go wrong. And that's what id be cautious of, ie if it failed and then im running at 23 degrees a cast engine will seize easier than an ali one which would be more forgiving id imagine


I'm not 100% sure if the Mtech has the same failure characteristics as other units but when my Augusto failed after 3 years service, it just died completely. This was what Augusto said would happen. I just pulled the connectors off and clipped them together to bypass the unit (took 30 seconds) and rode home at 30 mph with no drama 8-)
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Re: Any MTECH feedback?

Postby Donnie » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:29 pm

No i don't think the mtechs do either. The failure rate of agustos was what put me right off of them. I know that when i was changing from a varitronic id convinced myself i needed a retard type system.

I just found an email from Rich re the mtech, he did say he would drop it as it only retards therefore running too hot at start up and idle.

I guess i could always leave it at 17 and put on the mtech and set it to only retard a couple of degrees for when im on the motorways / long runs?
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